20 October 2005
AJ interviews Sandie Caine
Sandie Caine
So - you've been doing porn 5 1/2 years, you've won awards, you've travelled the world - how were your sexual talents wasted before porn?
I used to work for John Lewis, in the head office...I bought all the little boys wear - was all ever wanted to do....as a young child used to spend hours colour coordinating wardrobe - fashion was my thing!
And that lead to porn how exactly?
It was gradual...I'd read in lots of magazines about girls who did "glamour work" to pay their way through college, with poledancing and glamoury type things, and it put it in my mind that there were interesting ways to earn a bit of extra cash.
Did you know exactly what glamour modelling was? Lots of young girls see the words 'glamour' and 'modelling' and think, "ooh, modelling looking glamourous!"
Well, I knew it would involve having my photo taken with no clothes on, and that intrigued me enough to try it. I knew my boobs weren't huge, I knew I wasn't Jordan or Sam Fox, but I thought, "Fuck it - these girls in the magazines aren't all that special, so if they can do it, I can!
So where did you look for your first work?
I answered an ad in the back of The Stage magazine - that is a lot of girls' first link into the adult industry - lots of ads in the back for nude work and table dancing and stuff.
Did you ever consider dancing too?
Well, it's weird, because I'm actually a professionally trained dancer for the Royal Academy of Dance...but I have a total inability to strip off while I do it! I have no idea why it is, but it annoys the hell out of me, because I watch other girls doing it and think it's easy - but then if I get up there and try, I can't do it!
So, this professional training, did it make you...um...flexible, in...helpful ways?
Well, yes! I'd have to warm up a bit, but it made me damn bendy! I can do the splits no problem, but for some reason noone ever asks me to in my shoots.
Noone's been asking you to do it? It's a crime!
Well, I did get to do it once a year or so ago - I was doing a casting for Belladonna, and she asked me if I had any special talents - so I just upped and did the splits for her...she was impressed! Unfortunately I neglected to limber up first, so I was walking around like a cripple for the next 3 days.
Ah, I didn't realise she was directing now, I must keep up with the American porn scene more! So who's your favourite director then?
I have to say, I love Tanya Hyde's stuff, it's amazing...the older stuff they did is better but it all gets me off!
When people ask why you decided to become a porn star, what do you tell them?
Freedom and fun! It's being paid to do what I enjoy - like a professional footballer! Most people can relate to that example...
What about your parents?
It took me a while, after leaving John Lewis, to come out to my parents and say that I had had, to put it delicately, a change of career. I told them I was a nude figure model and that it was all very artistic, nothing dirty, nothing dodgy. Ahem.
Nothing dirty at all. *cough* Toys-R-Ass *cough*
Yes, well, I told her what sort of money I was earning, and suddenly she was just fine! She knows I'm not stupid, and sees me jetting off on holiday all the time and living in a nice flat, so she doesn't ask and I don't tell.
So who are your role models?
Sharon Mitchell, definately. She founded the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Association (AIM) after spending 25 years as a porn actress. She's done so much amazing work - I would love to follow in her footsteps on that side of things, as I'm extremely passionate about health issues in porn.
In what way?
Well, in the last year or two I haven't worked without condoms at all, ever. That means most of my work comes from the private sector, because lots of 'proper' directors think condoms don't sell. But I stand by my beliefs... I think porn should involve safe sex, despite all the tests. And it's a shame more girls don't put their foot down on this issue, because if there wasn't such a ready supply of girls willing to go without a condom, the rest of us would be a lot safer and get more work.
Anyone else you admire?
Nina Hartley - she's in her 50s, and still making porn and educating people. She and Sharon Mitchell are porn legends - female icons that didn't go off the rails, overdose and kill themselves, they're still there and helping people. Nina even has her own range of couples-friendly porn - it's a whole box set!
I've not seen much specialised couples porn. But what do you think of the whole recent 'cool porn for women' phenonomen?
I'd rather not think about it! (laughs) Anna Kubrick, we call her! Mind you, she did put me in Agent Provacateur underwear for a shoot once and I was so excited: "I'm wearing Agent P, oh my God!"
But you must pick up loads of that kind of thing with the money you earn and being a porn star and stuff?
Nah, half the time I don't wear any underwear! Less is more!
No contortions, no designer underwear - my dreams of the porn scene are being shattered one by one! I mean, tell me what it's really like - most of us think there's loads of important people standing around, cameras, sound guys, lube boys, groupies, fluffers...
I think you have a high estimation of what goes on in porn! It's normally just maybe the one director guy and a cameraman! The highest end thing I ever did was filmed in a hotel and there were about 30 people there! I didn't give a toss, but the other girl was saying, "er - can we get rid of some of these people please?" They were all just.. standing there, looking at us as though we were under a microscope!
Do porn groupies exist?
The only place I've ever witnessed porn groupies is on Super Mario's Road Trips, he often has groupies. He's a very down to earth lovely guy and they're all so nice I never mind; I invite them in to watch!
So you like the fan attention in general?
Well, there's people out there who worship porn and know who all the girls are and they come up to you at Erotica and ask for signatures and stuff, and it's really sweet, you get your little bit of celebritydom. But I don't believe in believing your own or anyone else's hype - at the end of the day, you're just selling sex, wether it's on or off camera.
What about builders whistling at you and stuff?
I actually like that, if they're just being cheeky it does put a smile on my face.
What about men who shout out of cars and honk at you as you're walking along?
The shouting out of cars thing annoys me in the UK, but for some reason it's totally different in America. The guys there have this particular way of draping themselves out of their car window and drawling, "How yoooou doiiiiing?" that makes me weak at the knees. They're more masculine over there, it totally melts me!
Speaking of melting you, what's the best sex you've ever had?
It would have to be with the one of the first boyfriends I had, I'd been with him 7 years, and we were in the bedroom, having just bought a new dildo. I don't know exactly what happened, but all of a sudden I experienced this amazing thing that had never happened before, this OH MY GOD sensation. I then realised that in all the sex of the last 7 years, I hadn't actually been coming at all - I'd been unwittingly faking it! I think he realised too, which can't have been easy.
Do you have any sexual fantasies left or has porn fulfilled your every dream?
I'm quite unimaginative when it comes to that kind of thing. Actually, I'd like to have a boy/girl/girl threesome where I'm under the guy, and the other girl is on top of him, doing him with a strapon as he does me.
That's hot. Strapons. Yes.
I've just bought a new 7.5 inch strapon, actually, I can't wait to try it out! There's a particular guy who wants me to use it on him, I hope he wasn't biting off more than he can chew when he asked me to get that one!
More men should take it up the arse - they have to realise it doesn't make them gay! Speaking of which, would you describe yourself as bisexual?
Well, when I did my first girl/girl shoot, it was with a lovely chick called Kelly, and she knew I was new and nervous, and she went out of her way to be really lovely to me and the sex was great. I enjoyed it so much, and couldn't wait for this other shoot I was doing with her soon - I actually thought I was turning into a lesbian! I soon realised, though, that I like having sex with girls but I couldn't have a relationship with one like I could a guy.
Aww...that's cute. Ah well, you were new to it all. What advice would you give to a new girl if you were in Kelly's position?
Keep both hands busy at all times! And when something's happening, describe it to the camera, because it might not be visible. Talk dirty, but don't repeat yourself over and over again. That kind of thing.
God, it sounds really complicated! How does the choreographing of porn scenes work with the sex you're having?
It depends how much they want, really. I've worked with producers who wanted 5 minutes in this position, 5 in that position - change, change, change!
*cough*johnnyrebel*cough*
(laughs) It's so mechanical, and really difficult to get into. Other producers tell us to roll with it, and if they feel we're doing something for too long, they'll discreetly signal to move around. Other films they just completely let us get on with it, and then when the time is up and they say 'cut', it's like "oh, do we have to stop? Boo."
So in terms of orgasms, it must be hard if you're just getting there and then suddenly the producer makes you switch position!
Fuck, yes. But I do get off most of the time, I don't have to think, I just empty my mind and suddenly I'm coming all over the place. Mind you, I know girls who refuse to have genuine orgasms on camera!
That's insane!
I know! If you're going to have sex, you may as well make the most of it - why would you delibaretly deprive yourself of that sensation?! And most of these are girls who don't even have boyfriends!
Talking of orgasms, can you come from anal?
Hah - it's probably the easiest way to make me come! I'm not overly fond of anal, mostly because there's so many logistics to deal with when doing it for films, and cock size is imperative, it has to be just right... but I find it easier to come from anal at work than any other way.
That's amazing... even with no clitoral stimulation?
Oh yes, I can come with no genital stimulation at all - I can come just by putting pressure on my pubic bone and clenching my muscles.
Anyway - back to groupies and stuff - any stalker experiences?
Well there was a guy who met me on a glamour holiday...
Hang on - what's a glamour holiday? Is that like when you go to Portugal with Johnny Rebel and have sex on the blue stripey towel?
(laughs) Yes, yes, that type of thing. And guys pay to come and take pictures, which pays the girls fees.
Anyway, your stalker.
Yes - he just followed me absolutely everywhere, wouldn't leave my side. It was getting very annoying, and very creepy. It got to the point where I'd have to walk to the dinner table with a person on each arm, so I could sit down with them either side of me - but this one guy would kind of wriggle under the table and cram himself in between me and them... it got to the point where he declared his undying love for me and I had to put my foot down and tell him he was fucked up and to leave me alone.
Eek. Was he the only one?
Well, there was one other guy who used to come to my bukkake parties, but I soon sorted him out.
Hang on - how do you pronounce that - Boo-cack-ee or Bew-caaar-key?
I say it bukaaaaake, but that's probably a posh West London way of saying it!
Haha, posh bukkake, what a concept. Bukaaaaaaaake! By the way, how did you get into organising your bukkake parties and making British Bukkake Babes?
I had a male friend who proposed it as a way to make some extra cash, and he fronted the camera equipment and stuff, and we had the first party, charging the guys an entrance fee - but then his wife found out and made him stop! But I wanted to keep it going, so I asked around everywhere for help to make the next one... and another company offered to hook up with me and help make it into a proper movie.
So, do the guys pay to be in it?
Well, smaller parties and non movie parties can get away with charging about 40pounds on the door - it pays the model and they make their profits then and there! But if you're making it into a movie, it's dodgy charging money - you can be collared for immoral earnings. You may have to wait 6 months or so for the movie to sell enough to make a profit, but at least you know it's legal.
So where do the guys come from?
Off the street! They answer ads in the papers or off the internet - they're not going to say no to a free blowjob!
But I've seen bukakke movies where suddenly someone's head will be covered with a huge floating smilyface - it's like porn on acid! Imagine some poor dude watching the porn, trying to jerk off, and suddenly he sees that! Aren't there enough sperm donors who don't mind being on camera?
Well, most of the time it isn't a problem, because it's filmed from the waist down, generally. Every now and again, some idiot walks in front of the camera, but that's his fault - they are warned! We haven't really had any problems, faces just aren't shown as long as they're sensible.
When I saw my first bukakke movie - yours - I was under the impression that bukkake was just men wanking, and coming on naked girls... but I saw penetrative sex! Oh the depravity! The pure art of bukkake - sullied! Did you just get carried away, or do I have the wrong idea of bukkake?
Whoops, my bad! Bukkake isn't even supposed to have handjobs, let alone blowjobs and sex - it's traditionally guys wanking over girls. But people were finding it quite boring, and we wanted it to appeal to a bigger market, so we had the girls giving handjobs and blowjobs, and threw in a bit of sex too.
Well, pure bukkake is too specialist for most, I guess. Actually , what's it like doing real specialist shoots - like ones where they want you to be gagging on cock the whole way through?
Lots of specialist stuff is easy and fun - that particular one's hard, but I deal with it. If you don't eat beforehand, it's ok, you just have to concentrate on relaxing and not throwing up. Mind you, I've actually been asked to vomit on people - ew!
Vomit porn. Now that *is* a bit specialist. And scat. I mean, what kind of person...
I was in a sex shop once, and this guy asked the owner to show him what they had in the way of brownsports. So out came this little secret stash of magazines, and the guy was flicking through them, piling up a few to buy, until he got to one with a photo of a girl chucking up, which he tossed back to the owner with a disgusted comment on how he didn't want that one because, "Look at it - that's fucking sick!"
Well, strictly speaking, it *is* sick.
Hah! And what does he expect, anyway - of course she's going to throw up! She's having to eat some guy's shit!
While the tone's well and truly lowered, what are your most embarassing experiences? I should think they involve a bit of brown.
Oh God. I was on a bukakke shoot in the USA, and the producer called for a speculum - the plan was to put it up my arse, crank it open, have these 60 guys come into the resulting gape, and then squirt the cum out onto another girl. But when the girl pulled the speculum out, and I had to do my thing, I did a massive cum-fart.
Oh dear.
Yes, oh dear at the time. But then that one cum-fart became all legendary and guys would talk about it all over the place! I didn't know wether to be proud or ashamed! But wait, that's not it...
There's more?
Yes, egged on by all the hype, I decided to try to recreate it for my own bukakke videos. But this being the UK, and not the USA, we didn't have 60 men, we only had 20. And for some reason, my arse decided to swallow all the cum, so when I squeezed, nothing came out at first. So I squeezed harder, and something did come out. But it wasn't cum.
It was something else.
Yes. Ahem.
What advice would you give to someone looking to avoid accidentally incorporating hardsports into a scene?
Clean yourself out, thoroughly! And for the love of God, don't drink coffee before a scene - it goes through your system faster than you can imagine. I drank 3 cups before a scene once, and suddenly there were orangey brown streaks all over his cock - I thought I was dying until someone asked me if I'd had more than one cup of coffee.
Well, I guess porn isn't all orgasms and brown envelopes full of cash! Apart from poo incidents, what are the worst things about being a pornstar?
The heavy suitcase full of clothes and sex toys I have to lug around everywhere!
That's so cute and mundane! It's something that would never occur to most people - they'd probably imagine the worst things as 'getting diseases' or something. What other misconceptions do people come up with?
Thinking everyone in porn has to look like a barbie doll, and that just because I don't look like Jenna Jameson, I'm not a valid porn star.
Which is clearly nonsense, judging by your popularity and the 120-odd movies on your BGAFD page. I hope you're going to keep making them!
You bet I am. Most actresses can only expect a career of about 6 years - but I want to stay in this industry until the day I die! I could never go back to what I used to do - I want to branch out, expand things further, meet these new challenges every day and help other people.
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